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The Video Game's Novel: Where Walking Simulators Came From
I was once working on a video exploring Dear Esther, then I wrote a section of the video explaining the historical background to its release, and then the video became this. Whoops!
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КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @carysbebard3690
    @carysbebard3690 5 годин тому

    On my most recent playthrough, what really struck me (which you mention briefly) is that Davey doesn’t get or talk about Coda's sense of humour at all. Almost all of the dialogue options, Coda's joke of sending him a load of "playable" games, he doesn’t get it. It's a sad microcosm of how Davey doesn't truly engage with Coda's work. "This book of knock knock jokes is so sad...our outside figure is always knocking and never granted entry...". It's a very sad idea to me, I often put little jokes in my creative works and to have them completely ignored by someone who "likes" them would be particularly hurtful. There's also, in House, the CLEAN figure giving more and more dialogue as you go. Davey cares nothing for the interior dialogue of the games, and very abruptly cuts that figure off to 'end' that game. Davey claims that the game is just cleaning forever, but that doesn't feel true, there's a sense (to me at least) that the CLEAN figure had more to express in their own time. Finally, I really got the sense that Coda and Davey really weren't friends in any normal sense. Davey was a fan who got a little more special attention from someone he looked up to, and called that friendship, and hooked his mental health onto it. He wanted to avoid the "messy" parts of building a real friendship, so he did not do that. He has nothing to say about any time that Coda isn't making games, they occasionally have email back-and-forths, and Coda shared his games with him because he's a fan. I may be misquoting a little, but I think he says at one point in House "it APPEARED that Coda was grossly happy", which, if he was an actually friend, he would know whether or not Coda was happy. He would have more evidence than his games on whether or not he was depressed. I had more to say than I thought, huh. Great video btw!

  • @carysbebard3690
    @carysbebard3690 6 годин тому

    Something interesting to me in the Notes section, is that when Davey talks about Coda's experience of making a game, he talks as if "making a game" is as linear as (Davey's idea of) playing a game. You don't make everything in a chronological order - for all we know, Coda makes the door puzzle *first*

  • @MsCounterMax
    @MsCounterMax 3 дні тому

    Thank you, thank you so much

  • @matp2255
    @matp2255 3 дні тому

    Writing a comment because this video deserves more traction

  • @Burger14
    @Burger14 7 днів тому

    Amazing analysis!!!!

  • @Burger14
    @Burger14 7 днів тому

    1:20:34 positive* feedback loop

  • @Burger14
    @Burger14 7 днів тому

    2 hours bro

  • @Noobmensito
    @Noobmensito 8 днів тому

    My dad introduced me to portal when I was straight out of diapers, so I was able to experience the game as god intended. I do remember thought seeing my dad entering the last test chamber with the major plot twist, but i was such a distracted kid I barely took that into account and was able to have this multiple doubt moments.

  • @FireyDeath4
    @FireyDeath4 9 днів тому

    Did you experience the storytelling yourself, or figure it out after the fact, or relay it from other people's commentary on it?

  • @Ato-bc9rh
    @Ato-bc9rh 9 днів тому

    Option 1 he is an eminator Option 2 he is aha in the "illusion"?

  • @AlonzoTG
    @AlonzoTG 12 днів тому

    I think you are far too kind to the games journalists. The point of gamergate is that the media was giving unfairly positive reviews to crap games due to personal relationships and political biases. Not one person, anywhere, ever, has ever told any group (except heterosexual white men) that they can't create or enjoy the media they want. Instead what we had was a massive politicization of the entire medium where the types of entertainment the traditional audience wanted was trashed and nothing good put in its place. I don't care what games you create but the undeniable fact is that all the "Sweet Babies" of the world have been going around removing attractive women from games and replacing them with potato-people. That is what GamerGate 2 is about... =|

    • @carysbebard3690
      @carysbebard3690 5 годин тому

      "Not one person anywhere, ever, has ever told any group (except heterosexual white men) that they can't create or enjoy the media they want" is just factually untrue lmao. People in countries colonised by Britain have historically had their language criminalised. Children weren't allowed to speak Irish, Welsh, [insert non-English language of a colonised country], in schools. LGBT+ artworks and literature were (and still are) targeted by deliberately vague obscenity laws, and by general prejudice. Segregation meant that black Americans were not allowed to perform with white actors, and plays put on by black communities were often raided by police. So many voices historically and now have been pushed down with violence. A video game journalist saying "maybe play a different game, this one is aimed at a different audience" isn't silencing you. 😂 PS your final point is that Gamergate is about putting sexy people "back" into video games? So it's not about ethics in games journalism? Lol?

  • @szupertntakos5000
    @szupertntakos5000 13 днів тому

    I have heard "the cake is a lie" many times before, but until I played portal I didn't know what it was a reference to. And because I had no reason to suspect this game in particular, the twist was never spoiled.

  • @Traveler12434
    @Traveler12434 18 днів тому

    It's in the southeast

  • @gegjbf1016
    @gegjbf1016 19 днів тому

    I do believe doki doki did have a similar effect happen to it all be it much smaller but the idea of a date sim turned horror has been almost spoiled now by the internet

  • @autismandgaming4532
    @autismandgaming4532 20 днів тому

    Nice Vtuber avatar

  • @sjfs231
    @sjfs231 21 день тому

    not gonna lie, never once did I get the feeling portal 1 was trying to fool you into thinking glados was good, the glitches in her voice when she first ever speaks to you are a pretty dead giveaway that something is wrong.

  • @tododokii
    @tododokii 21 день тому

    I can’t tell you how much this analysis blew my mind, from the gameplays I’ve watched, and when I played, you could get the sense that Dave’s did something wrong to Coda, but the way you broke down everything, it makes so evident and damingly so- I didn’t realize how much Davey had tried to heavily push for all his thoughts and feelings about his idea of Coda in his head, without ever consoling and properly ever discussing and talking to Coda about it as a real person and friend- Thank you for this, The Beginners Guide has always had a special place in my heart and mind as a game, so incredibly unique and different, to understand it to it’s entirety, (as someone who isn’t not at all good at analyzing media), this just makes the game so much more special now, understanding everything behind the game now :)

  • @JT-lj3kt
    @JT-lj3kt 22 дні тому

    Amazing Video! As a person which usually just played games like Call of Duty and Halo when I was a kid, the moment I was introduced to my first ‘Walking Simulator’ (that being The Stanley Parable), I was completely blown out of the water. I never knew that a game that pretty much boils down to pushing down the ‘W’ key could end up being one of my favourites of all time. And then I played The Beginners Guide. That’s when I realised that this genre can really be something special.

  • @ChangedNames
    @ChangedNames 22 дні тому

    6:19:10 When I came to this point in the story, I remembered shaoji saying that "your choices are detrimental to the story" and remembered the option given to us at the start of the game of not boarding the express so the game just ended + 2.0 End Credited with aventurine (So I connected the dots & panicked). I kept thinking "Fuck Fuck fuck, Did I make the wrong choice?!!! How far back do I have to redo?" Quite good story writing tbh, and I agree with shao bro, spoilers really hurt this type of writing.

    • @ChangedNames
      @ChangedNames 22 дні тому

      6:48:00 Actually, they gave more hints but for example (1) the talking origami bird outside the reality vip lounge. (2) Aventurine finding stabbed robin body, which is stabbed by dormancy [same wound, color, and she ended up in musk reef] (most likely caused by gallagher similar to how sunday got stabbed). & most likely a few more. Id like to believe that the hotel itself & all the advanced technology is non existent and instead everyone's brain goes into dream mode the moment they get near asdana system, meaning the earth is still barren wasteland (i assume this is what mei wanted to verify when she asked to move the train)

  • @ChangedNames
    @ChangedNames 22 дні тому

    4:40:00 I find the concept of fools very interesting in this game & many other medias as theyre always portrayed as intelligent & self aware (just not directly). Here we see the Jester saying "since what is essential (Stars, life, etc) will continue regardless of who rules, then why the drama on new master, old master, or self determination, its irrelevant". Then in the current story, our fool, sparkle is the most intelligent from penacony cast as she knows everyone's intention from the start, had a correct suspicion on the current circumstance and made many simple but effectives moves sunce the beginning. Finally, this all ties back to our beloved aha who breaks through easily broke through the SU simulation. The path of elation is extremely terrifying, Im not ready.

  • @dennisl9176
    @dennisl9176 23 дні тому

    fun fact: after navia offers macarons to clorinde npc, if you took the cooking skill you can offer to cook for her and you litearlly pull out a whole ass camp fire and pot and cook a nice meal lol

  • @dennisl9176
    @dennisl9176 23 дні тому

    i would love to see a liveplay cmapaign in teyvat!

  • @BoosterDawg
    @BoosterDawg 24 дні тому

    Loved the video, incredibly well-written and presented! I felt compelled to comment after reaching the end hearing you say you wanted a three dots tattoo because that was my first tattoo I ever got! Even during this video I was looking down at it and remembering everything the game meant to me and why I chose to get that symbol on my body forever, thanks so much for everything you do <3 (and you should totally get it tattooed if you haven't already)

  • @FosukeLordOfError
    @FosukeLordOfError 26 днів тому

    16:33 I haven’t played or consumed much fnaf that footage is stressing me out

  • @FosukeLordOfError
    @FosukeLordOfError 26 днів тому

    Idk I had a weird interaction with portal I don’t know if I knew the cake is a lie or not when I played (close to portal 2’s launch as steam gave it away for free) but I had played the 2d portal flash game which had much harder puzzles. There was very few challenging puzzles, though they were satisfying. I think the dialogue even spoiled is pretty good. An a side note people bring up Star Wars as another example and I’m someone who watched space balls before Star Wars

  • @HERMES097
    @HERMES097 26 днів тому

    Watching travail like in the good old days 💚

  • @Cynicz13
    @Cynicz13 27 днів тому

    The Heavenly Principles has yet to awaken - Paimon: yawn...so sleepy. Paimon's head still feels all fuzzy... Coincidence? I think not.

  • @rongyi637
    @rongyi637 27 днів тому

    1:22:20 fully misheard and thought you said “six pikmins” here

  • @duke_of_s0up388
    @duke_of_s0up388 28 днів тому

    I did what you said and played the game completely blind, i didnt even know this game existed before your video showed up in my feed and im so glad I played it for myself, not many games I play are able to emotionally pull me into it, but this one is different so thank you for showing me a game thats able to do something other games cant

  • @crls2auer
    @crls2auer 29 днів тому

    What's the game at 17:59 called?

    • @WhaleMilk
      @WhaleMilk 29 днів тому

      Dear Esther

    • @crls2auer
      @crls2auer 29 днів тому

      @@WhaleMilk Thank you. :)

  • @Wolfiechrm
    @Wolfiechrm Місяць тому

    If sampo's power is to change the narrative on a whim he reminds me of the comedian sorcerer who can manipulate reality with his imagination. Which would be a cool concept if a little unnerving if it goes down the unreality direction.

  • @absolutelycardboard
    @absolutelycardboard Місяць тому

    videos like these remind me why i subscribed to your channel

  • @rustfaller
    @rustfaller Місяць тому

    I think I get the epilogue. At the end of the game, that level was made by Davey. He wants so badly to speak about it, but he instead lets it speak for itself. He's not done with all his bad habits, but it's a beginning.

  • @alsims2007
    @alsims2007 Місяць тому

    I always got the impression when Coda said stop adding lamppost to my games he was truly saying stop adding endings. his games end with lamppost but most aren't reachable. take the house cleaning game. it's meant to loop forever, the lamppost forever out of reach.

  • @MavikBow
    @MavikBow Місяць тому

    It's similar to how Half life 2 focuses a lot of its puzzles of their new at the time physics engine, but because I had played a lot of Skyrim before picking it up, all that awe that I was supposed to feel was completely lost on me.

  • @simeondawkins6358
    @simeondawkins6358 Місяць тому

    I discover the glitch and found out the cake was F real

  • @DANKKrish
    @DANKKrish Місяць тому

    maybe TMI but when i realized i'm non binary and ended up choosing a new name I went with Coda. Nowdays i use it as an introduction to this piece of work sometimes "Hey this is the video game i stole my name from it's pretty good check it out" I never managed to convince anyone but I'll never stop trying haha.

    • @DANKKrish
      @DANKKrish Місяць тому

      also to anyone who likes this game please read pale fire.

  • @King_Tap
    @King_Tap Місяць тому

    we know damping is apart of the masked fools as he talks about the tavern which is the hq of masked fools

  • @sheevismycity4789
    @sheevismycity4789 Місяць тому

    I'll have you know _.8 patches are infact not empty at all lol. Each has a whole new area and major event. And the last two (and 3.8 especially) have lead into the next area massively.

    • @WhaleMilk
      @WhaleMilk Місяць тому

      Maybe my memory is tainted by burnout lol

  • @EB_DC
    @EB_DC Місяць тому

    Great analysis :) Long story short, it wasn't until last year where I really started to think about this game differently, and this video solidified my change in thinking. The Beginner's Guide really resonates with me more now than when it came out nine years ago. Good work, you've got my sub. 👍

  • @TheGamingTeam101Tgt101
    @TheGamingTeam101Tgt101 Місяць тому

    1:01:32 ?? It was animted perfectly idk what your talking about there lmao

  • @dustinabigan2776
    @dustinabigan2776 Місяць тому

    I feel like this is just me but I'm starting to get fed up with how little progress we've had in the Traveler's sibling story despite being so close to the end (at least based on the storyline preview). Yes, they did tell us to find the truth ourselves and explore Teyvat and we also did realize she's not a Descender, but beyond that we haven't been trying to find her as much at all, almost like we forgot the whole point of us being here in Teyvat journeying across the 7 nations is to ask the Archons about our sibling. And it's like the Traveler hasn't considered trying to find their own clues if the Archons don't know anything. I'm more than sure we would be able to find the truth and find more info about them not being a Descender if we were actively looking for them. Those different objectives aren't mutually exclusive but the story treats it like it is. So I do hope that 4.7 quest presents something meaningful in that part of the lore. In a way, we've been getting so much about the Gnoses, Celestia, Fatui, etc., but what about the very reason why the Traveler is going around Teyvat in the first place?

    • @WhaleMilk
      @WhaleMilk Місяць тому

      I think it's important to remember that this game hasn't been about "finding our sister" since 1.4. We found Lumine in We Will Be Reunited, but she literally told us that she had no desire to be found and said in order for Aether to have any reason to talk to her, he needs to find the truth of the world. After that moment, the game no longer was about finding Lumine because Aether learned that 1) she's alive and well and 2) she's aligned with the abyss, so he knows she's alive and where to find her. What it became was a game about discovering why Lumine had aligned herself with the force that, up to that point, we understood to be evil. So yes we've been getting a lot of info about Gnoses, celestia, Fatui, and all the shit about Irminsul and Heavenly Principles, because that's all information that's important to have in understanding why Lumine is doing what she's doing. What Lumine wants from Aether is to come to the same conclusion that she did (joining the abyss and executing the Loom of Fate operation) by going through the same journey she did. Because this world is so complex and there's so much going on, explaining her philosophy would come off as hollow and disingenuous, and you've probably understood this first hand. Arguing with someone about sensitive political topics never goes anywhere because simply explaining your standpoint isn't doing much, but if they lived the exact same life as you did, then they would most definitely be swayed to your side because, you know, they've lived the same life as you. That's what Lumine wants to do. Without fully grokking what the hell is going on in Teyvat, what she's doing is going to come off as evil or bad, so she wants us to experience the world and come to the conclusions on our own. And since Teyvat's history is seemingly cyclical, she probably knows we will eventually come to her side. So in many ways we've been making progress on the siblings' story this entire time, it's just we haven't gotten another payoff or checkpoint or framerule or however you want to think about it since 1.4. And that seems about right since this game has on many occasions stated plainly that this story is about the long haul.

    • @dustinabigan2776
      @dustinabigan2776 Місяць тому

      @@WhaleMilk Problem is that it's not like doing what the sibling wants us to do and actively finding her isn't mutually exclusive. We can do both but we barely get anything for the latter, if anything it might help in finding the reasons for the sibling's choices if we're given ideas of where to look and then fill in the gaps in information later by actively looking for information ourselves. We spent a lot of time with Arlecchino in Fontaine, but I don't think we spent much on trying to ask her about the sibling since looks like the Fatui have some information on the sibling not being a Descender. But I don't think we even asked about it, at least in a significant way, or for any other information which could have helped us know more about what the sibling is trying to do or at the very least verify if she's still where we think she is. If anything, it would be all the more concerning for the MC to realize the sibling is aligned with the Abyss when their plan since prior to that is that the Abyss have been responsible for Dvalin. After that, it becomes total silence that it makes it all the more concerning what they've been doing all this time which assuming the trailer is completing Loom of Fate. So now it looks like the MC is blindly following what their sibling is saying all this time without thinking that maybe something else is going on. It's taking the idea of trust a bit too far for believability imo, even if it's the sibling. If anything, the difference in views from both of them should make the MC all the more desperate to find their sibling the longer the story goes just out of worry or at least have us actively finding whereabouts more than just asking the Archons or waiting for Dainsleif to show up. If Lantern Rite only happens once a year in Teyvat, that's technically three years of not seeing the sibling in person outside of visions. Regardless of what the story implies, that's still a long time where anything can happen such that it doesn't hurt to be even a bit more concerned with what's happening.

  • @brendyn__2244
    @brendyn__2244 Місяць тому

    Too political wtf 💀 ts is sad bro you still are insecure like this

    • @WhaleMilk
      @WhaleMilk Місяць тому

      GamerGate happened when I was 12. I have zero emotional connection to it

  • @drewbrown3116
    @drewbrown3116 Місяць тому

    Thank you for making this video! Sorry I gotta ramble for this. I do wanna account this since I was what you might call an anti-sjw formally. Altho for GG I did hear how the opponents of it were rather not as innocent either considering some takes a bit too far or rather they fumbled it bad even as reasonable it is (just talking esp what I've heard from Anita allegedly or some I can't remember). That then prompted some bad faith reactions. I think it probably started with calling such things pretentious (whether they are or not) or "not for me" in a disrespectful manner, to some overreactions ofc. Then next, right wingers then co-opted this kinda reaction if not mixed together with such the disgruntled gamers from the takeaways they heard. And hey that does include getting women and pocs on their side as well unfortunately (something somehing NotYourShield), despite how paradoxical if you think about it, but who can you really trust at all? Like the worst thing about this bs is how underreported it is in terms of details to the point no one is able to decide what is. Like some things I say, could be rather not as confirmed or are just alleged otherwise. Lastly I did hear how TotalBisuit was initially on its side until disassociating with it becoming what it is, which I can't blame him. I mean what was the goal about "ethics in game journalism" anymore? Also how that situation with how the Night in the Woods creator's death was handled was super disgusting I seen on both sides. Like how that gave a lot of ammo to the anti-sjws is just gnarly enough to he point I fear something like this rolling in my grave. What really happened, we don't know, but to look back on the reaction of such is uhgghhhh. Luckily in this day n age, the anti-wokes we call em nowadays are rather taken less seriously which is lucky enough to see how ridiculous their ideology is anyway. How long until we make human righs sh!t "political" ever? Getting sick n tired of gay or trans people existing being called "woke." Like all they wanna do is game and live like as do straights. Like screw all you grifters, stop going "no politics, no agenda" head up your a$$ while you there pushing your own as well. The left can't meme? SO does the right as well fartface. And you know what's funny? Walking sims out here getting backlash while visual novels out here just standing fine, but ig hrrr drrrr anime, japan good whatever (dunno what the el is with that east vs west shix to that). Like who cares what is game or not, I think some things can still serve a purpose whether with a lack of gameplay or not. It's just niche, it's not for you ofc! Which I think proves something well with Theoretical Rain's I Hate "Video Games" video, def worth checking out. Altho in terms of what I like outta walking sims, Gone Home n Firewatch seems to rather be kinda the stuff I like, considering the freedom you're given to interact around the environment while in a linear structure. I do still enjoy What Remains of Edith Finch tho. Def comes down to the memorable presentation and story of it ofc, despite its very linear approach much akin to Dear Esther, with what I mention felt a bit of an experiment, not as fully fledged I feel, but I still appreciate its qualities to it. I mean with it starting as a HL2 mod does say something with it, which is a backstory I can appreciate esp coming from Source modding. Sorry I really had to let it outta my system with what I had to ramble above, it just reminds me why I'm glad to have changed my stance now that I've grown older and more open of such things. I do wish my past me didn't exist, but it is what it is. Hope for the more better in the present.

  • @davidkameron3745
    @davidkameron3745 Місяць тому

    My personal opinion is that Davey isn't.. Evil or antagonist. He's just messed up or traumatized, and it's not always easy to see that and he was projecting himself on Coda and his games. Yes, it's messed up, no doubt, but the Coda himself, was, well.. Enabling him? Kept sending him games, throwing jabs at the person, who is obviously oblivious to everything. He needed help as much, but he never received it, as he just haven't seen anything wrong with himself and the only person who he was "looking up to" instead of having a talk with him and telling him what's wrong directly, he just, well.. Made further games, enabling him further until The Tower. Also, i do want to add that we don't explicitly know that Coda stopped making games. He could've just.. Stopped showing them yo Davey. Stopped sharing them with people like himself. It's an amazing story and, god, there's so much sides you can talk about. Fiction is incredible. Yeah, 3 am ramblings, i might be wrong, so come at me(please, don't).

  • @dustinabigan2776
    @dustinabigan2776 Місяць тому

    That last fight was the first (and maybe only time given the context and setting of the story for now) that we overcame something alongside several members of different factions that follow different paths. We basically had: - Us (Astral Express, Trailblaze) and technically Misha as well - Robin (The Family, Harmony) - Boothill (Galaxy Rangers, Hunt) - Black Swan (Garden or Recollection, Remembrance) - Acheron (Emanator, Nihility) - Gallagher (Fictionologists, Enigmata) Technically you can also count Aventurine and Dr. Ratio (IPC, Preservation) and Sparkle (Masked Fools, Elation) because there were parts of the story we only knew because of what they did. So we basically had 6 to 8 different factions/paths involved with the quest. This is going to be very tought to beat story-wise for future content just because the setting and setup of the story for Penacony was massive.

  • @ViewtifulJosh388
    @ViewtifulJosh388 Місяць тому

    I knew about the cake is a lie "meme", but that didn't affect my playthrough. It's like you said, who knows knows. I didn't know WHY it was a lie. I didn't WHO made it a lie. I didn't know if those tests had anything to do with the cake being a lie. I didn't know if GlaDos had anything to do with the cake being a lie. Knowing that the cake was a lie didn't ruin it for me. Good opinion though.

  • @alaisrojas3961
    @alaisrojas3961 Місяць тому

    Love the vid, great work

  • @dkerwood1
    @dkerwood1 Місяць тому

    I played it over Christmas break in 2007. Glados was always the adversary. There was never any question that the "cake" was a lie. I didn't even find Ratman's lair in my first playthrough. The game was always set up with its particular brand of dark humor. The only real twist was when Glados actually tries to kill you (and I'll be honest- I wasn't expecting it, so I did die the first time). Then, all of a sudden, Aperture Science wasn't just a plot device to frame the puzzles. Aperture was real. You were behind the scenes. It stopped feeling like puzzles to solve and suddenly slams you into the narrative. In other words, as somebody who was there, I think you might be overestimating the twist of "the cake is a lie"... You learn right away that the voice is trolling you every step of the way.

  • @fluffyllama1505
    @fluffyllama1505 Місяць тому

    Just came from your Beginner's Guide video (which I loved, wasn't nearly long enough) and I have to say you have a real talent for video essay.